
FROM MUMSNET
“On another note, my dad is a pharmacist and had someone come in and complain that the Caneston pessaries weren’t working. Turned out she’d been eating them.
I wonder what she used the applicator for?

FROM MUMSNET
“On another note, my dad is a pharmacist and had someone come in and complain that the Caneston pessaries weren’t working. Turned out she’d been eating them.
I wonder what she used the applicator for?
As we lay together in the night
Open to the other and their gaze
We saw the spirit and its loving light
Now I dwell alone and out of sight
I miss the other and his different ways
Did we rest together in the night?
Where’s the spirit, I’m alone distraught.
Can it be other to my downcast face?
We saw the spirit, now I’ve lost its light.
God is not a fish that can be caught
May peaceful contemplation help to aloss erase
Did we dream together in the night?
Grace to find one’s path as comes midnight
Dies irae, requiem sauvage.
We saw the spirit and its loving light
What is night and where are my own days?
Can I endure its piercing mental pain
As I lie alone at dead of night
Send the spirit, enfold me in light

https://www.poetryfoundation.org/articles/68606/spiritual-poetry
“The root of “spirit” is the Latin spirare, to breathe. Whatever lives on the breath, then, must have its spiritual dimension— including all poems, even the most unlikely. Philip Larkin, Sylvia Plath, William Carlos Williams: all poets of spiritual life. A useful exercise of soul would be to open any doorstop-sized anthology at random a dozen times and find in each of the resulting pages its spiritual dimension. If the poems are worth the cost of their ink, it can be done.
But, no, I’ve been asked to choose, to recommend. The poems I suggest here are this moment’s choices, not “the best spiritual poems” (a phrase weighing nothing in so intimate and personal a context). The “gates” are an equally personal selection of entrance points into spiritual life. Some of the poems are well known, others less so. Each stands representative of many others. Each also, for me, plunges into the heart of the matter at hand, bearing witness in some essential way.”
GATE 1. PERMEABILITY
Although the wind
blows terribly here,
the moonlight also leaks
between the roof planks
of this ruined house.
Izumi Shikibu (Japan, 974?-1034?) [translated by Jane Hirshfield with Mariko Aratani]
I saw, while half asleep, her face was gone
She faded like the mist does at the dawn
From the gallery of my loved ones
Ungrounded by the loss, fearful ,forlorn,
Skinless like a worm placed on a lawn,
I saw, while half asleep, her face was gone
Do not leave me, do not my love scorn
Lost and gone are all beloved ones
I am human in both ghost and form
Heart constricted, lungs pant out my pain
Haunted and bereft of human warmth
I saw, while half asleep, her face was gone
I shall have no mother but that one
Now I have become a dried out corm
Lost and gone were my loved ones
Like a little leaf from its plant torn
Gnawed by slugs fragmented till unborn
I saw, while half asleep, all trace was gone
Of the gallery of my lost, loved ones
The Nuremberg “Laws did not identify a “Jew”
as someone
with particular religious beliefs.
Instead, the first amendment
to the Nuremberg Laws defined anyone
who had three
or four~
Jewish grandparents
as a Jew,
regardless
of whether that individual
recognized himself or herself
as a Jew
or belonged to the Jewish religious community.
Many Germans
who had not practised Judaism
or who had not done so for years
found themselves caught
in the grip of Nazi terror.
Even people
with Jewish grandparents
who had converted
to Christianity
could be defined as Jews.”
*Even God himself was Jewish!* that was before he left

Today I’m quietly sorting out
Or packing neatly into boxes sensible
All the USB cords spread about
Help comes as I swig some old black stout
Guinness can make strife invisible
Today I’m softly sorting out.
Revolution in my mind unsought,
Cut down thoughts unprincipled
Toward our USB cords hereabouts
On bad days I’m overcome by doubt
In suffering anguish, clearly visible.
Yet today I’m kindly sorting it all out.
I believe they procreate without
The knowledge of their owners quizzical;
Lord, these USB cords lounge about.
My living room was named “original.”
I’m on TV and going digital
Now I am still sorting/throwing out
The USB cords straggling hereabouts

I used to have one red box which contained all my USB cords and cables.I decided to make life easier by separating the ones with plugs on [chargers] from the ones without.Now I have two boxes which both seem full.I’d better not get 4 boxes to divide these up or by Xmas I might have 256! [2 to the power 8]
That could be catastrophic in my living room
Horned pasties
Cornish Hasties
Dawlish lobster teas
Cream T shirts
Full English Brexit
Full British Exit.
Devon Breaks Fast
Gender-free public inconvenience offered with meals.
Creamed tea with silver teaspoon
Sliced bread and daughter.
Whips with everything.
Soft corns
Meringues in beef dripping
Bacon filled tarts.
Free waiter with dinner
Chapel cider.
Hopping beer
Scottish caught bread.
Kindle mint rake.
Handel mind flakes
Dashing chips
Kosher food on buttered toast with cream and minced ham.
Cutlery is usually accompanied by food
Would you like to risk it while we have our tea?
I have come to the conclusion that when we are in a bad mood,feeling sad or just tired we give off negative vibrations which repel our possessions especially the ones we like best like a special ring, the pen grandad gave you just before he died etc
And when your mood alters suddenly you begin to find them.In some cases. it almost seems as if you see the object drop out of thin air onto your bed.As if attracted like iron is to a magnet.
And the upside of searching is you find other things you gave up on.
But stop looking frantically and do something to relax.It works for me.

Main course
Potato tramplings in beef glue with white rubbish
Semolina Gnocchi with creamed bees
Potato Gnocchi with fried ants.
Macaroni, cheese and mixed solids
Spaghetti with meat paws
Roast leaf of English oak with chips and green fleas.
Haddock with steamed paving and mesh.
Kippers smoked and burned at the table.
Pudding
Bring your own cream
Apple harlot with custody
Pears broached divine
Apple ply and noodles with manila ice cream
Rice jelly with Basingstoke and raisings
Yoghurt with yew barbs .Bring your own grated nits.
Creme New Laid.
Trifle and burberries with clotted stream.
All meals served with rotted tea, bread and real Highland butter.Bring your own saucers.Cups ok but not Chinese.
Thank you for your customs.All is kosher except the bacon sandwiches [ made in Britain and eaten in Gales] Please do not bring cats, dogs, pigs or sheep.Children in small doses on Weekends

Admire the old arthritic man I met
The angels shake their heads at human life
On his head a crown of laurels set
I was by nausea and my nerves beset
Unfit to be companion or be wife
Admire the old arthritic man I met
His face seems smiling even when he’s not
He will never be a source of strife
On his head a crown of laurels set
He lives in a world where Hate dwells not
His glances are not sharp as are my knives
Admire the old arthritic man I met
Give me patience with my daily lot.
Throw off that critic who forever strives.
On John’s head, a crown of laurels set
Count to ten, or at least count to five
Anger and aversion destroy lives
Admire this old arthritic man I met
On his head a crown of laurels set

Stan had just got back to his lovely bright home from a ride on his old mountain bike.Emile had travelled in his special cat seat/basket just in front of Stan as he liked to see the road less travelled should it appear..and he liked purr to encourage Stan to ride further into the deep countryside which they lived near
When Stan got home to his luxuriously detached yet bijou dwelling he went to the wonderfully disappointing cloakroom to wash his paws before putting the kettle on for some tea.
Ah, how peaceful it is here, he thought…,how nice Mary is still at work.
Suddenly and alarmingly, the door bell rang.There, on the flower bedecked porch, stood a large, beautiful curly haired woman holding Emile in her pretty freckled arms
I believe this is your cat, she said boldly.So he tells me.Why, he even knows the address.
Well,if he’s anyone’s he’s mine, Stan admitted uneasily.What has he done now?
Did you not notice he jumped out of his basket?she asked enquiringly.
Well, no, Stan answered furtively..
I was getting a bit tired and keen to get home…I forgot my water,
hope you won’t let him do it again, he could end up absconding. By the way, I’m called Yvette.
Are you Yvette Cooper, the MP,he enquired wildly.
No, she said, I’m Yvette Hooper, the swan lover.
Do come in for a cup of tea ,he said caringly.
I don’t mind if I do, she said, then I can be sure your cat is alright.
Tell me, Stan said, Do you live with a swan?
No, she said, though I do have an old Swan saucepan.
A saucepan is not much company, Stan responded.
Well, at least it never shouts at me!Yvette said quickly.
Have you suffered verbal abuse? Stan said in a kind and supportive voice.
I have yes.We had a mutual agreement that I could be handcuffed and verbally amused for 3 hours a week.You see we’d read this book,”Fifty shades of grey.”It’s all about human bondage But my boyfriend thought it was verbal abuse I wanted.As I was upside down I couldn’t tell him of his error.After that things were never the same.
Why did you have the handcuffs?asked Stan calmly.
We were given them for Xmas, she whispered Also a whip and some rubber gloves.
Why the rubber gloves?
For washing up of course! But after being whipped would you feel like washing up?
I don’t know.We split up before we even tried the whip… to be honest, I didn’t want to use it.
Alright, my dear.I understand it all he said nervously
Here you are.. drink a nice cup of tea and try these biscuits I made myself they are almond biscuits from my Penguin Jewish cookery book.
Mmmmmmmmmmmmmm,delicious,she cried.Are you Jewish, Stan?
No, but why should they have all the best recipes?
A good point… maybe because they had almost the first alphabet so began to write them down before anyone else could.
Not to mention they invented monogamy, a great religion, Freud, Wittgenstein, Einstein, rhinestone.Give them an accolade. I mean, Jesus Christ!
What more do they have to do to be rewarded?
Ascend into heaven?
Rise from the dead?
Make more cheesecakes?
I wonder, said Stan pondering slowly
The back door opened and in ran Anne, Stan’s mistress.
She was dressed in soft tomato red with toning pinky red trainers and she wore a light beige foundation with bright pink lipstick making a subtle contrast… all by Lam com of China.
Oh, Anne,have some tea.This is Yvette, she very kindly rescued Emile after he jumped off my bike.
Don’t tell me he can ride a bike, Anne screamed, showing off a good set of teeth and a long red tongue.
No ,I was riding it.Stan told her sensibly.
Hello Yvette, Anne said, where do you live?
I live on the top road by the wood.Yvette answered politely, her auburn hair standing up in a mass of curls as she spoke, showing off to good effect her light orange lipstick and burnt sienna eye shadow…in fact, it was colour from her art materials.
Have you been there long?Anne enquired politely though warmly.
No, only a few weeks..we don’t know anyone..
So you are married?
Yes, my husband is in the Police Service… he cleans policemen for special occasions.
I didn’t know anyone did that.Can’t they clean themselves?
A self cleaning policeman…or how about putting coat of Teflon on them so they can be wiped with a wet cloth?
It’s up to him ,said Yvette.I am a lecturer at Pond’s End Polytechnic.I teach philosophy..
In a poly?
Yes, I have a D.Phil from Oxgridge in the philosophy of science with particular reference to Dirac’s remarks on Wittgensteim.
Do they study such remarks in a poly?
All the students do Philosophy of Science…it’s compulsory.
Stan said, I wish they all did Peace Studies too…
I know, said Yvette kindly..If only we could bring peace but we are descended from the most aggressive primates… why many of them were sado-masochists.Well some were sadists and the rest were masochists I gather.The ones who weren’t died out as they never mated.
Well,I’m not a sadist, said Stan,or at least only to myself!
Do you beat yourself up ,the ladies asked.
Just in my mind, he answered judiciously.
So do I thought, Yvette.
Let’s have some more tea, called Anne from the hall.I’ll make it.
Anne is my mistress,Stan boasted humbly……
There was little point trying to seduce Yvette now Anne had met her and vice versa.
Yvette was intrigued.That is rare, for such an old man to have a mistress.
Is a wife not sufficient for you?
A wife is necessary but not sufficient, Stan teased her.
Well, my husband has no mistress, she said unknowingly,But I have several boyfriends.
How do you get the time?
I have a rota, she chuckled happily.
You seem an intriguing lady.May I have your email address, mobile number and your landline?Your height and weight too..clothes size and shoes too.Yes,it’s
My phone number is Oh,oh,6666666666666.7777777777777777………………..
That’s irrational, he informed her knowingly.
Have you got an i Pad, she then asked boldly.
No , I’ve not even got a Kindle..do you recommend them.Maybe you could come to ComputersRus with me on Saturday.
No, she said, I’m Jewish.Are Jews not permitted to visit Computer shops.Some religious edict, is it? he said inquisitively.
It’s the Sabbath , you dimwit, she responded.We don’t shop on the Sabbath but don’t worry I’ll come on Monday with you..you are a charming man.I need as many as I can get.
Why are you deficient in some way?Stan whispered.
No, I’m very proficient and mildly conceited ,she admitted modestly.
And I like a good kisser.Are you a good kisser?
Well, maybe you could give me a test, he said manfully, and if need be you can give me some lessons followed by a total Examination to see if I satisfy you.
Just then Anne came in with fresh tea..
Emile mewed loudly.
What is it.Emile ? Stan asked.
I am jealous because we cats can’t kiss.
Well kissing is neither necessary nor sufficient in the art of love.Rolling about together in some soil is also very nice..
I hope you don’t expect your wife to roll about in soil, said Yvette questioningly..
Well, i can ask her, Stan said, but her main interest is topology and knitting.She is often very cold in bed…
Can’t you warm her into life; or buy an electric blanket?
No, she’s hopeless because of a type of Asperger’s syndrome but I love her anyway.
Have you tried a new technique like whipping each other or tying yourself to the bedposts.You can buy handcuffs now in Boots ,I hear. Why some doctors prescribe them on the NHS nowadays
I thought real Love was enough, Stan answered
It seems in the UK people are into whips and handcuffs…
Well,count me out, said Stan, I’m more into a careful yet tender study of the skin from the toes right up to the head, followed by gazing into her eyes for ten minutes.
Why ten minutes?asked Yvette.
I can’t wait any longer…
Well, you’ll have to practise..she said coyly.
I can practise with him, said Anne virtuously.
Yes, the more the better…he’s getting older so he can’t wait.
He needs satisfaction as soon as possible.
The door bell rang,It was handsome Dave the paramedic.
Hi, he said,I was worried as you’ve not called 999 today.I brought a leash and some whips.
I’m Yvette, the woman said.
I’m bisexual, he told her.
That’s a strange name.
Never mind that, give me your email address and phone number
It’s ywoman@love4all.com ,she said
or 09964321.3333333333333333333…..
If you’d like a non-rational phone number email me at
hotcats@hell.com
Read more freely in the Daily Slur tomorrow….on sale everywhere and making life hell as fast as they are able to,
In my pain, I spoke in cruel tones
The man was old and small and used a crutch
Letting bitter rage scream from my bones
Oh, better it would be to utter moans
Than let my anguish out in feet or inch.
In my pain, I spoke in cruel tones
What a person is may soon be known
He turned and smiled as if I’d brought him luck
Letting bitter rage scream from my bones
So this old man’s mature and fully grown
And will not cause me pain by any trick
In my pain, I spoke in cruel tones
Can I ever call my soul my own;
I, unfit, his ancient boots to lick
Letting bitter rage scream from my bones
I seemed colder than a stone or brick
His love made my own errors feel antic
In my pain, I spoke in cruel tones
Letting bitter hurt scream from my bones
Her smile out-did my wish to be cut off
To hide inside a cupboard or a box
While I drowned in pathos and old wrath
I had been by cruel storms well tossed
Measured by the demon’s ticking clocks
Her smile out-did my wish to be cut off
I had not realised the fatal cost
Of self-help by the odd electric shock
As I drowned in pathos and old wrath
Her smile I let come in, though I was lost
Wandering in the graveyards of loves locked
Her smile outdid my wish to be cut off
What is it with our nonsense and old stuff
That lets each cell of skin decide to shut
As we float in pathos and old wrath?
I took my heart and on it I did pluck
The strings that sang a tune to mercy’s luck
Her smile outdid my wish to be cut off
So I swam from pathos and old wrath

https://www.poetryfoundation.org/articles/70036/freedom-in-poetry
Extract:””Impulses, swerves, collisions, flights, descents, gags, indirections, surprises, exploding cigars,
“”Impulses, swerves, collisions, flights, descents, gags, indirections, surprises, exploding cigars, non sequiturs: all are allowed or encouraged, and all in some sense begin to create their own principles.
There are no rules, but uniformity in art can make it feel as though there are rules: the more unconscious or unperceived (as with widely accepted fashions), the more confining.
A reigning style can feel tyrannical: the assumptions behind it so well-established that there seem to be no alternatives. But there are always alternatives. How might a resourceful, ambitious artist get past or around a perceived tyranny? European painters early in the twentieth century, challenging the academic norm, found something useful in Japanese cigarette papers and African masks.
The past can offer a useful way of rebelling against the orthodoxies of the present. The early modernist poets revived interest in John Donne and Andrew Marvell, not because they wanted to correct the academic reading lists—that was a side effect—but because they were impatient with late-late Romantic, post-Victorian softness. They craved models of hard-edged intelligence and lightning wit.
In the 1970s, a young poet I knew described the manner most prevalent in the magazines and writing workshops of those days as “just grooving on images.” I remember that poet—now a considerable and innovative figure—introducing me to James Shirley’s “The Glories of Our Blood and State,” praising the poem for the force of its statement and idiom, the cogency of its propositions, and its cadences. Those elements carried along the effectively minimal imagery: swords and laurels and breath, even the conventional “icy hand” of death.”
I used to have a husband, how we played!
He was funny, kind and caring in sweet ways
I think he’s in the other room today
He hated Mervyn Stockwood, unsure why
Ian Paisley was another who dismayed
I used to have a husband and he prayed
He never comes to see me, since last May
Nor brings in our old tea pot on a tray
I think he’s in the other room again
I think I hear him walking night and day
He opened up the window for my eyes
I used to have a husband in my Play
So I played being Missus B today
But he did not ever enter, as he’s fey.
I think he’s in the other room again
He was quite an artist of the wry.
He liked Bacon, Freud and yes he loved Paul Klee
I used to have a husband, I feel grey.
I think he must be moving rooms today

What she wore was a striped cat and a classic navy dress with creme spots
Then later she wore bride legged jeans and a slogan T-shirt saying, I combined
At breakfast, after her first night of married fuss she wore a racy negligee covered by a long Burberry branch
She always looked very keen and tidy.
However, he was put out as he looked like the cat who found the clean.His pyjamas had no mutton at all.
For visiting Torquay, she wore her Alex and Co wavey slacks and a lime sweatshirt saying, I’m your man.Signed, Eliezer HaCohen.Amen.
What is the placebo affect now
When schizoids alienated do not care?
The feelings that you have might cause a row!
Keeping mobile faces stiff and how
When the eyes of that potato are unbared.
Where is the more pleasing affect now?
He let his affect uneffected show.
To the spectral like myself, it seems unfair
The feelings that I have will cause a row!
The spirits I had lost began to glow
Wittgenstein said he believed in prayer
How does the deceiver’s affect know?
Come my lonely heart and take a bow;
Before the phallic symbol stands and stares
The feelings that I have will cause a row!
Come my little heart from compressed lairs
Unconstricted love is all we share
Love is my placebo affect now
The feelings that I know will cause no row!

1. For Older Pests, click Here.
2 Tagged as morbid, eerie, never can tell.
3.If you wrote this well don’t. Congratulations
4.This blog is co-ghosted with my brother, Liked
5. If you think I am no God, I don’t mind.Give me sore specific details
6 I loved your roast today.Much better than poor usual
7. Did WHO write this?
8. You are a wood grater in my loo.
9 This poem is so good I read all of it.I am trying tonight I ran out of men’s prankies.So no more poems are allowed by Word Press, Police.
You don’t need to wear a watch today
Your phone’s so smart it tells the exact time
Now it’s time to make the kettle pray.
You won’t need to go to Mass, Sunday
Stay in bed and sleep, is that a crime?
You don’t need to wear a watch today
Don’t buy yourself alarm clocks on E bay
Ignore appointments, ignore clocks that chime
Now it’s time to make the kettle pray.
Don’t get married, for you have to pay!
Never speak unless it is in rhyme
You don’t need to look at kitsch today
What prayer will the oven think to bray?
Never dream unless it’s your pastime
Now’s the hour to hear the kettle pray.
Rows of saucepans make a sacred shrine.
Where heat and love and care can fast combine
You don’t need to wear a watch today
Come to mine and make the kettle shy
Butterflies can light upon a rose
And sparrows miss the prickly holly leaf
So thorns deter most larger, useless foes
And safety bring to birds instead of grief.
The butterfly. a symbol of the power
That weakness has in entering sacred ground.
A butterfly can fly through hail stormed bowers
His wings send waves across the world by sound.
A cat too has its claws as well as fur
Yet they do have a modicum of choice.
For those of us for whom they have a care
Claws are held ; mioaws or purrs given voice.
Am I a holly tree or fragrant rose?
Am I the cat who may unsheath her claws?
https://www.merriam-webster.com/news-trend-watch/ivanka-an-otherwise-incredible-day-20170920

Otherwise has been in English use for a considerable length of time, as an adverb (from the 13th century), an adjective (from the 14th century), and as a pronoun (since the 15th century). It may be traced back to the Old English (on) ōthre wīsan (“in another manner). The adverb sense that Trump was employing is most often used to indicate “in other respects.”
In “Margery,” a girl in white on a sofa, the face is not the best part of an other wise well-painted portrait.
— The Scotsman (Edinburgh, Scotland), 28 Feb. 1913I caught bass continuously but their individual capture is not worth recording except to say that they absorbed the best part of an otherwise endless night.
— Anthony Pearson, The Guardian (London, UK), 18 Dec. 1971This hit parade from the past is the best part of an otherwise tedious tale of a Liverpool docker’s midlife crisis, which he is handling rather badly.
— The New York Times, 19 Aug. 1990
Although to us the past may seem well known
Reading in the library or the net
The future’s fiction and the past has gone
We cannot hear the murdered as they groan
We cannot meet the folk our mothers met
And yet to us, the past may seem well known
Visit the old street which you called home
See the house now strangers’ habitat
The future’s fiction and the past has gone
See the Synagogues’ and Mosques’ fine stone
Infinite our perspectives and the facts
And absent thought, the past may seem well known
See the Vatican where pigeons roam
Showing like the demons, lack of tact
The future’s fiction and the past has gone
Yet, in the timelines of our facial web
The past is here and not with people dead
Although to us the past’s imagined, known
The future’s fiction and the past a stone
The age of all-out war, an accident
An Archduke shot. an Empire on the brink
In a narrow street, an incident.
Nobody stood up as a dissident
In their games, did leaders wish to pause
The age of nuclear war, by accident?
In many narrow streets, coincidence,
Since apples destroyed Eden, Newton caused
In a narrow street, an incident.
Inevitably none get all they want
From mother’s milk to dolls and other toys
The age of all-out war, and infants’ rants
The time we have got left is rather scant
And there is threatened bombing every day
In a narrow street, what incident?
There is no peace, just space between the wars
In her pram, the baby ignites toys
The age of all-out war, an accident?
In a narrow street, what incident?
Wilipedia: Shooting of heir to Austro-Hungarian Empire 1914
The aftermath of the assassination[73]
Princip’s FN Model 1910 pistol, displayed at the Museum of Military History, Vienna, 2009
After learning that the first assassination attempt had been unsuccessful, Princip thought about a position to assassinate the Archduke on his return journey, and decided to move to a position in front of a nearby food shop (Schiller’s delicatessen), near the Latin Bridge.[74] At this point the Archdukes’ motorcade turned off the Appel Quay, mistakenly following the original route which would have taken them to the National Museum. Governor Potiorek, who was sharing the second vehicle with the Imperial couple, called out to the driver to reverse and take the Quay to the hospital. Driver Lojka stopped the car close to where Princip was standing, prior to backing up. The latter stepped forward and fired two shots from a distance of about one and a half metres (5 feet) using a Belgian-made 9×17mm (.380 ACP) Fabrique Nationale model 1910 semi-automatic pistol. Pistol serial numbers 19074, 19075, 19120 and 19126 were supplied to the assassins; Princip used #19074.[75] According to Albertini, “the first bullet wounded the Archduke in the jugular vein, the second inflicted an abdominal wound on the Duchess.”[76] Princip was immediately arrested. At his sentencing, Princip stated that his intention had been to kill Governor Potiorek, rather than Sophie.[77]
Too old for cold,
I stand, now, against the hedge,
Watching the snow fall in the glare of neon street lights.
Darkness has come early,
I think of country uplands and huddled sheep.
On Salisbury Plain, shepherds watched their flocks
Just as in Bethlehem two thousand years before.
And then, exactly when?
“Between the wars”, it stopped
.Now we know there is no “Between the wars”.
And who decided
To cull the sheep and shepherds
And the space for kindness?
Now that same Plain still exists, but banned
And closed to human-kind,
For bombs, not wombs
Nor for birth of lamb, nor gypsy child, nor Saviour
Where would He go today?